Meet the City Council candidates

Andy Lyon

A lifelong Malibu resident, residential real estate agent Andy Lyon is running for Malibu City Council again after losing out on a seat in 2012. Running on a slate platform with Hamish Patterson, Lyon believes the city is on the wrong track toward an influx of development and major traffic increases. Lyon was also a vocal activist during the controversial Malibu Lagoon reconfiguration project.

Do you think Malibu should have its own school district?

Yeah, if it works out for everybody. I think the problem is the information getting to people... this was an issue last time we ran two years ago and we’re no closer to having separation.

...I just think if I was looking at what’s more important right now, I would say dealing with the high school toxins.

Do you see any downside right now for district separation?

I think it’s a financial thing... It’s a tough situation and if it was such a great deal I guess it would’ve already happened. We’re talking about it for another election. In two years it’ll still be an issue. Why is it the city council, if this is a city council issue and we’re being asked about this, why hasn’t the city council done anything to put money toward independent study or getting anything out there?

If you’re elected to city council, what role would you want to play or do you believe the city council should play in helping address the environmental situation at the high school?

They have to have independent reviews, completely transparent independent reviews of it. If they have to fund it, they have to put some money, the city has to get involved and get the information out. It seems like nothing is really coming from the city at all and I don’t know why that is.

So you would propose hiring an independent consultant?

Yeah, somebody to oversee other than the company doing the work or the Santa Monica school telling you that they’re doing OK, not to worry. That’s the worst thing, is having somebody do that work or somebody that’s paying for it that knows they’re in trouble, telling you ‘don’t worry.’ They have to step up. I would have to say that would be as far as any of the school issues, that way outweighs the separation right now.

What was your political call to action?

It was the lagoon [2012 reconfiguration project]. That was definitely it... All it needed was maintenance and the right placement. I just saw that these guys were going to do this project, and when I got wind of it, because it was noticed really weird....I knew that they were wrong, I knew that it was not going to work, I knew it was a big waste of money. They were just going to do the same thing and worse, which it is. If you go down there now it’s worse, nothing’s grown back. It’s a disaster.

[The city] told us over and over, and after it was done it was like, ‘oh, well we did have control over the FEMA floodplain’ and the city could have totally stopped the project.

In the next four years, what single issue do you think needs to be addressed and what would you do about it?

The overdevelopment in the civic center and the wastewater treatment and the sewer, all the stuff that we’ve been—all this new traffic onto the highway, the safety of the highway. Just the gridlock that comes with that... and the size of the properties. It’s not like ‘no growth,’ it’s just got to be a lot better traffic studies. You can’t move around now, and I see like when they decide they’re going to put a sewer right across the street from my kid’s elementary school. To me, that’s the linchpin...The traffic, the safety of the highways, the safety of any kind of emergency. If everybody’s jammed in here, we overuse PCH, the infrastructure, the water coming in going out.

Why Andy Lyon? Why not stick with the incumbents?

Believe me, if I thought that I could trust these guys with Malibu, I would say go for it, but why Andy Lyon? Because I’m the kind of guy that’s not going to sit back and take the sides of — I’m not a politician....Myself and Hamish are people there to stand up for residents. We’re not standing up for developers.

(21) comments

Steve Woods

Agreed Tom ,
Have you ever reviewed the special edition Archives of the Rindges/ Marblehead development business transactions at the Pepperdine Library ?
Some interesting old pictures of some suits pointing at the steam shovels as they were filling in the low spots of the lagoon's wetlands to grade lots for the Colony summer homes . The Rindges gave up and sold out but that was there freedom of choice .

Matt Horns

Tom. Bates,

Thank you for your support.

We buried our Mother's cremated ashes at the base of a coastal live oak on the ridge between Mandeville and Sullivan Canyons near where I grew up. I literally have roots in the Santa Monica Mountains that Includes Malibu.

Tom Bates


Jon Davis

Is it a coincidence that Andy's video at Surfs Up as well as many other sites has been removed?

Tom Bates

Marblehead developed mostly in the 1960's. This is before "nut case environmentalist" decided what they thought was environmentally and politically correct. That began in the County in 1976 with the Nelson & England Report on SEA's. This was also perverted by many of the information and opinion by these "Nuts" Building homes and using your own land in compliance with the law is not a crime. Except in the mind of the extremist.

The folks of Marblehead still live in the community Does Adamson ring a bell?

Environmentalist created more sensitivity than God did" Most of it is in some one's mind! Not created by nature!

Matt you have a right to express your self no matter where you live. It is your truth!!

I have spent 11 years working on Land Use and Environmental issues for the California Association of Realtors (Director 3 years) as well as the Malibu Board of Realtor Land Use Chairman in the 1980's (ten)years. I have been a Realtor for 35 years in Malibu and the surrounding area.

Matt Horns

Tom Bates offers some interesting information. From what I know, Marblehead has matured and moved away from horribly environmentally destructive activities and is now into more mainstream "green" operations. If not, the "green" City of Santa Monica would have ejected them years ago.

Matt Horns

Some people question my right to comment on Malibu's environmental issues because I am not currently registered to vote in Malibu. I have earned the right because although I now live in Los Angeles. I have lived in, worked in, and explored in Malibu since I was ten years old in 1965, That's a longer time than most residents have been here.

Matt Horns

chumash, hare's what the Environmental Law Institute thinks of a leader of one of your so-called "money grubbing hypocritical eco orgs"

Matt Horns

chumash, hare's what the Environmental Law Institute thinks of a leader of one of your so-called "money grubbing hypocritical eco orgs"

Tom Bates

Steve, the Rindge's are the Marblehead Land Co. They also developed Malibu West and other places.
They have an office on Wilshire Blvd in Santa Monica today!

Go to the Surfside News Office I gave them a 1963 Ariel of the Lagoon. Take a look at it you might learn something as well as Andy..

Development is controlled by the population demographic (22.000) n Malibu and the Coastal Terrace.

People who have land have the right to develop Otherwise you would not live in a home in Malibu..

After reading your support and the other folks who support Andy and Hamish not wonder we should vote for ANY BODY ELSE![smile]

Steve Woods

Making it hard to develop in Malibu has been our reputation and will continue to be the message to developers since we adopted the Rindge Spirit of preservation . Too bad the Rindges allowed the Marblehead Land Company to be the FIRST exploitative Real Estate developers to exploit the Malibu lagoon wetlands for Celebrity $ummer homes in the name of profit . It is amazing that Malibu has held back the pack of wolve$ a$ long a$ we have . Long may real e$tate developer$ loo$e patience in conforming to exhausting and co$tly permit requirement$.

Matt Horns

Based on it's comments, the person that calls itself "chumash" has no allegiance to the local Native American community. Our local Native American community fully supports our Malibu Lagoon restoration efforts. We (your so-called money grubbing hypocritical eco orgs) have worked with the Nicolas Canyon Chumash Village for 12 years

Matt Horns

in my opinion, Concerned Resident brings some reality to this discussion.

Concerned Resident

Nothing is ever developed in Malibu. But I guess perception is reality here and anywhere else. What is “overdevelopment” when the city started as a horse town? Malibu has one major commercial center. One! Why do we complain about more development that might be happening in the one commercial center we have? Isn’t that where it’s supposed to go? People that complain of overdevelopment in Malibu lose all credibility because clearly they are coming from a place of emotion rather than rational thought or understanding of fact.

The Crummer property, which was just referenced, took 30+ years to get to where we are today. 30 years for 5 houses and a park. And it still needs Coastal approval! We have a proposed hotel that will likely never get built but we’ve been hearing about it since the 1980s. They have been talking about bringing a Whole Foods to town for a decade, and they aren’t anywhere near opening. The LaPaz site is still nothing but a piece of dirt. Trancas just lost Erehwon because they were tired of waiting. It’s so hard to do business in Malibu. So hard to develop anything in Malibu. And maybe that’s a good thing. Maybe that’s what people want. But to act as if Malibu is out of control with development is simply comical. You can’t do anything in our town.

Matt Horns

I support Skylar, Andy, and Hamish and all the good work they do.

I do not support disinformation about Malibu lagoon. Opinions vary but many are based on no facts.

In this video I document horrible ecological conditions in the lagoon in 2012:

I was not paid to produce this video

In these videos and others, EcoMalibu documents thriving aquatic life in the restored lagoon.

EcoMalibu was not paid to produce these videos

Before the recent restoration project there were almost no barnacles, shrimp, or fish in the lagoon's west channels, just a bunch of live algae, dead algae, and decomposing algae. Algae continue to grow due to excessive nutrients that are not able to be controlled by Lagoon managers. A thriving aquatic ecosystem now inhabits the former "Dead Zone." Those are the facts.

Lester Tobias

Or you could ask me, a 20 year resident architect in Malibu and author of "Building in the 'Bu: Navigating the Malibu Zoning Code". And Mr. Bates you are entitled to your opinions but that's all they are. For example:

#1: You state that there are no back room deals. If that is the case, please tell me who decided on the give/get for the Crummer property? By that I mean who brought the deal to the planning commission and the city council? Was it staff? Was it the City Manager? Was it one or two council members? The same question can be asked about the Charmlee swap. So there are two back room deals I can name without breaking a sweat.

#2: Once again, your opinion is that a total buildout of the Civic Center would not be defined as overdevelopment. Yet for the residents who all ready feel the infrastructural impacts of the current Civic Center) which is currently at less than 50% of the allowable build out) your opinion is not ours.

#3: You can't count.

#4: I think you are talking about the formula retail ordinance, and I believe that even the owner/editor of this fine newspaper would take issue with your opinion. He has all ready stated that the people behind the ordinance are savvy, well prepared, well funded and bring a track record of success to the proposed ballot initiative.

Finally, between 1983 and 1986 Malibu was not even a City. Since that time it has had two major and several minor rewrites of "what can or (can) not be developed".

Next time I see Niles I'll tell him you said "hi".

Matt Horns

In my opinion, the statement "money grubbing hypocritical eco orgs" has no place in a civil discussion unless it is backed up by facts.

Tom Bates

#1. There are no back room deals.
#2. There is absolutely no over development as the usage of the exiting parcels can not be altered.
#4.The property owner is being told WHO he can do business with. That is unconstitutional, punitive and a taking of his vested property rights (a diminishment of value).
This is an accurate assessment of the potential development in the civic center coupled with a 85% reduction in the amount of development by the City council many years ago.
Andy needs to do his homework and investigate. I spent many years working on the planning issues in Malibu when I was chairman(1983 to1986) of the Land Use Committee of the Board of Realtors.
I am now a FORMER CHAIARMAN that committee and am speaking from experience of what can or not be developed. If you doubt me ask Ed Niles or the Planning Department City of Malibu.
. [smile]


Andy and Hamish are true stewards of our town. They will dedicate themselves to protecting our town from over commercial development, money grubbing hypocritical eco orgs and back room dealings by council members. They will bring full transparency back to the city which is much needed.
They both were so impressive at the Point Dume debate the other night and many people were convinced that they will lead the city in the right direction.

Matt Horns

Andy comes across very well in this interview. I agree with almost everything he said.

I beg to differ, however, with his assessment of the lagoon restoration project. The 1983 project created a disaster that was an embarrassment to California State Parks and was getting worse every year.

The former lagoon "Dead Zone" has now been replaced by a little world of teeming life. This is well demonstrated by EcoMalibu's video:

When State Parks inherits the existing adjacent golf course they will build on this success. Quality of life for Malibu residents has and will continue to improve under good State Park land stewardship.

Tom Bates

As a Real Estate agent he should check and investigate development information as the entire Civic Center has been down zoned to 85% open Space before he uses his platform and that not accurate. [sad]

Tell it like it is !.

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